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Monday, July 23, 2007

A Questionable Weekend

I have an ethical question for you folks who play live more often than I do.

I went back to the track for another session of 1/2 "NL" charity poker. The first hand of note that I played went to showdown. I had JTo, the other player had QJs. The board was J-X-X-Y-Z. X was a pair of rags (9s?). Y and Z were also rags ... I think.

After we both checked the river, my opponent said "I have a jack". I said that I also had a jack and flipped my cards. I said, joking, "but you probably have me outkicked". He eventually flipped his hand.

The dealer split the pot.

Fifteen or so minutes later, it hit me that it probably *shouldn't* have been a split pot, because I think his Q would have played. I'm not positive because I'm not sure about the river card, but I think cards Y and Z were probably both less than tens. I also don't recall exactly the size of the pot.

What would you do in that situation? (This is not Vegas, LDO, so there are no cameras).

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Another question for you cash game NL experts: Was this hand misplayed?

I have 55 in early position. Because I read Fuel, I play it. Because I suck and am in EP, I limp. There's a raise behind me to $12, three callers and I close the action. I'm only getting 5-1, but this is presto we're talking about.

Flop is AJ5, two spades. Yahtzee. The first player to act goes all in for $48.

Oh.

I have $66 and bottom set. What do you do?

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Unlike the other day, this time I did not play with as many regulars. There was one guy who was Hellmuthian in trying to talk the table into submission, but after he bled off a bunch of chips he pretty much shut up. Instead of the usual crowd, this table was about half full of Laotians. A fun group.

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Anyway, getting back to the hand, I'm not screwing around. I insta-push for my entire stack. I should probably study the question of whether I wanted any of them to call, but my guess is it would be okay. I wasn't afraid of any of them having AA or JJ, and any additional callers either have 3 or 4 outers (gutshot or two pair -> boat) or flush draws. Multiple callers with flush draws means fewer outs for them to draw to, obviously. On the flip side, I'd love to be heads up against anything other than AA or JJ, and who open-pushes those hands on the flop?

All three fold. One of them took an awfully long time to fold what he said was AK - no spades.

First to act flips K9s for the nut flush draw, gets there on the turn and I don't fill up on the river. Rebuy!

After rebuying twice, I got an unimproved KK to hold up against a guy who called all the way down, presumably with AQ for TPTK, and ended up plus $45. Not a big win, but after a near-stacking and some pretty shaky play I'll take it.

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Much golf was also played. I had my worst round of the season Saturday morning - apparently my game doesn't travel well - but came back with a decent round on my home course in the afternoon. Yesterday was good for the first nine holes and lousy on the back. Just like poker, my golf game is VERY inconsistent.

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I'm trying to set aside the money I took to the track this weekend (plus profits) as a live game bankroll of sorts. I've never really kept a separate roll, unless you count money taken to Las Vegas. It will be an interesting experiment.

2 comments:

Royal said...

1) At 15 min later I'd probably keep my mouth shut. I'm not sure much good can come of bringing it back up at the table. Now if the other player was cool and there was a chance to speak with them away from the table I would consider discussing it and making it right.

2) Shove... I don't love the $12 call with only $66 behind, but your implied odds seem decent. With 55 against 4 others you're only playing for set value. You can't call this and fold bottom set...probably even on a suited board...with $60 in the pot and only $66 behind.

Pokerwolf said...

1) If you don't catch it right away, it's too late. File that experience away and watch for it so it doesn't happen again.

2) Jam. There's nothing wrong with losing set-over-set and considering the stack size, the other players could be shoving with anything.